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Thursday, January 26, 2006

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Here's an anonymous comment about Frank's last sermon. ...pretty interesting... Sorry to interrupt, but I just finished listening to PF's latest sermon. I heard something that I never heard from him, he told the church to by a book on doctrine. I was thinking, nice change of pace, then he recommends only one book and you guessed it , it is Keven Conner's book on basic christian doctrine, and it is available at the bookstore. PF also to said to stop praying generalized prayers because God is to busy for them, they don't move angels, they don't inspire the Holy Spirit, and God has a hard time fulfilling them. I should mention, to be fair, that this was said in the context of praying specific prayers. 1Tim.2:1-2 "First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority," ..... Sounds pretty general to me. I know that there are specific prayers in the word but general ones as well. PF as well wants people to be praying for the singles to get married, he does qualify this by saying you can be single and happy. But he wants you to pray for church congregation matchups. I guess marrying outside CBC is being unequally yoked. Finaly, and I could say more but gotta split, Frank wants you to remove certain words or phrases from your faith vocabulary, ready for this: I can't, if only, I don't have the time, maybe, I don't believe, I'm not sure, and my personal favorite....... I'm afraid. Thank you Frank but I'm not sure that that is biblical, if only you could show me that in scripture I would entertain it, I just don't believe that God would not want me to express my doubts to Him and be honest ie. " Lord I believe but help my unbelief." Maybe you didn't mean that but I'm afraid that it is what you said, maybe next time you could get into the bible for more than 5 minutes on a Sunday morning but I can't believe you can teach an old dog new tricks. :) Let me just say that I love praying for singles to get married. So allow me to link to a newspaper article in the Washington Post, and Reason #93 why Catalyst is still single: Making Marriage (Like) Work: Author says Men can Succeed by treating it like a Job. ...ummm, I've already got a job, and I'm not really looking to work a double shift...

36 Comments:

Blogger oinvu4uraqt said...

How about praying for singles to get married to the right partner God has for them, not just get married? Rushing into marriage just to get married is not a good idea...believe me. From those I know at BT, everyone I knew got married at the latest when they were 21 from my wide circle. I know several who are divorced now.

1/26/2006 09:37:00 AM  
Blogger KK said...

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1/26/2006 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger oinvu4uraqt said...

Karli, I absolutely love your comment. It is so right on...I just didn't have the guts to say it...Thanks!

1/26/2006 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Locutus said...

Hmmm, you know it was always said that PBC stood for Portland Bridal College. Could an official name change be in the offing? And if marriage is a job, who do I marry to get one of those cushy corporate board of directors jobs where all you do is meet twice a year in Hawai'i to approve the CEO's next pay raise and stock option grant price?

1/26/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all bloggers that attended TCHS in 95-96. This is off-subject from the topic. But I have to ask if anyone remembers when Doug Lasit and Eric Knox called the guys in their office one at a time for a heart-to-heart talk. They tricked a lot of these guys into thinking this was between them. They'd ask if they struggled with drugs, girls, self-esteem, and jerkin' off. Except the way I understood it since I kept avoiding these little heart-to-hearts, that they would word it "peeling the bannana" or "spankin' the monkey" or whatever. Then if one of these guys would admit to anything and ask for help they would tell them they needed to repent during the Friday chapel in front of the school or risk being expelled. I know one guy in particular who went up there and admitted to whacking off. Poor bastard! Anyhow, I was wondering if anyone experienced this or knows what actually happened with all that. It's not the first time the teachers pretended to be a freind or mentor and then turned their back on you for God-only-knows what agenda.

Good old MeriEsther and others got kicked out for allegedly smoking pot during Canam. I beleive this was also a case of they had no evidence but acted like they did. Once people admitted, the kids did not get council. They got humiliated and kicked out of school.

Ahh'the Good old days!

1/26/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't recall all that but I do remember being in chapel one friday morning and having Bob MacGregor get up and tell people to come forward to repent.

He said that if you were to confess here, there would be no further punishment.

Of course after a half dozen guys went up and confessed to doing drugs and drinking, the church leadership demanded that they all be expelled.

Bob stuck to his word and caught hell for it. No one got expelled and of couse none of them stopped doing drugs either.

What a waste of time.

-TCHS 1997 Grad

1/26/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it is interesting that if Wayman Steel has a problem touching himself, it is then a ministry.

If a student does it, he is essentially ex-comminicated.

1/26/2006 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way, I think Bob Mac is a good man and his heart in the right spot. But what was everyone thinking with all that?

1/26/2006 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger KK said...

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1/26/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is better than Doug asking you if you peel the bannana?

1/26/2006 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fishing for pearls

choking the sausage

We should send him the story Guts by Chuck Palahniuk. It would be his dream come true.

http://www.seizureandy.com/stuff/guts.html

1/26/2006 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cattle-list,

you were there that year. Any tales to tell about the student research program.

1/26/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>> PF also to said to stop praying generalized prayers because
>> God is to busy for them, they don't move angels, they don't
>> inspire the Holy Spirit, and God has a hard time fulfilling them.

I'd like to see the video of this sermon. If Frank really said this, then I'd be surprised. Even I, who has very low respect for the man, have a hard time believing he'd say something like "God has a hard time fulfilling" a "general prayer".

1/26/2006 07:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you can listen to his sermons online, there is a link to listen on CBC's website.

you should listen, I think a lot of the stuff said here is taken out of context of his sermons and scriptures he is referencing...and even I'm not a big PF fan, but it's not as crazy as everyone likes to make it sound.

1/26/2006 08:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, it is really crazy, these words came out of PF's lips
"stop praying generalized prayers because God is to busy for them, they don't move angels, they don't inspire the Holy Spirit, and God has a hard time fulfilling them."
I did mention the context but how can you justify the above statements, regardless of the context of praying specificly.

What a lame view of God, that makes Him a diety who has a hard time at fullfillng prayer because it is general? Say what? Way to limit the Almighty or maybe we should say Somewhat Mighty. We are not the puppetier (?) pulling strings to get the Lord to do our bidding, when we pray we humble ourselves, something we all need, myself included.

1/27/2006 04:13:00 AM  
Anonymous FICM said...

Maybe I should put his theory to the test, and start praying for a wife more specifically. Praying for a life partner isn't good enough to move angels, so I'll be sure to ask for the tall blonde supermodel who is a missionary doctor and comes from a wealthy family. Oh, and her name is "Inga". Are there any angels moving yet?

This is just another symptom of the performance mentality of CBC. I have to DO something to get something from God. There is always some mystical - er, excuse me - spiritual formula for pleasing God.

What did Paul say about this in Romans 8 ?

26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

Hm, sure seems to me like Paul said that even when we pray general prayers, prayers that barely come out as a mumble or a groan, GOD KNOWS our hearts, and knows exactly what we need, and prays on our behalf!

So, what verse did Frank use to develop his theology of moving angels in specific prayer?

Personally, I'll stick with the groans that only me & God can understand.

1/27/2006 07:44:00 AM  
Blogger Eric Anderson said...

I was at BT/TCH/TCHS throughout the 80's, and I don't recall them efforting us much to get married amongst ourselves. If anything it seemed more like an effort to get us to stay as far away from the opposite sex as possible....lest we fall into the inevitable sin and debauchery that would come with organic friendships and "natural" dating!

As for peeling the banana.....when I was at PBC we even had a group of guys that felt so guilty about it we would get together to try and be accountable to each other. That's right. We called it Y.A. (pro. "yeah") Good old Yankers Anonymous!! The worst part was I never really felt guilty about it. It was more of an imposed guilt.

Imagine the sheer joy we all felt when I think it was Pat Robertson came out and said he thought masturbation was not a sin though. Our guilt ridden minds could not fathom such freedom!

PBC as Portland Bridal College? For sure!! There were even girls that admitted that's why they were there! What a shame! How pathetic!

Never heard that story about MacGregor taking the heat after telling kids they wouldn't be expelled. Bob is a great guy, with a heart of gold and a mind crammed full of scripture. And although I'm no fan of the style of church he runs, I'd go to war with him any day.

Here's an interesting point to ponder. I masturbated regularly starting at age 14. If I wouldn't have done it, I can guarantee you I would not have remained a virgin until I was almost 30. Does that justify it? Was it / Is it sin? I don't know. I don't think it's a salvation issue though, so I'll agree to disagree with anyone that wants to condemn me for it. All I know is I didn't create any "broken down, petal-less" roses, and I know that's a good thing. If it was sin, at least it was sin against my own body, and nobody else's.

1/27/2006 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Catalyst, if you married me everyday would be like a vacation.

1/27/2006 09:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a kid in the TCS grade school. I was called into Paulsons office because he was concerned I was getting to close to the girls.

He essentially said it was wrong to have relationships of any kind with the opposite sex.

That church/ school pushed so much dogma and guilt down everyone's throat regarding sex and what not, that A) you had kids who grew up stigmatized from sex. Were scared and frigid around the opposite sex or B) became sexually charged maniacs.

(There was a PBC student who I respect a lot, so no names here. He blew his load in his pants (20 something years worth of a load) when he held a girls hand on a date.)

It's so great, because they don't want you to learn anything about sex, males, females at all - but then when you turn 20, you need to get married. Then when your marriage is crumbling from awkardness and a horrible sex life. They expect you to seek council from the church counselors - who mind you, should never, never give advice about how to be happy.

What kind of system is this? The girls at that school always have a special place in my heart - of what could have been, had the leadership not warped all our minds.

PS> Bob is cool and so is Pastor Dick.

PPS> Also, the PBC students who went to be camp counselors were banging each other all night, when during the day, their supporting Wayman Steel in his message not to have sex or jerk off.

1/27/2006 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frank's comments about prayer are ludicrous. God is never too busy for us or for any of our prayers. Trying to define prayers in our finite, human terms is an exercise in futility. Doesn't prayer mean communication with the Lord? Period? Words, groans, tongues, songs, tears, shouts, etc.? God sees our hearts, and our natural expression of our hearts in prayer, praise, worship, whatever we want to label that expression...that's what he wants. He urges us to ask for what we want, to bear our hearts to him, to interceed on behalf of other Christians and the lost. We're to hold nothing back.

That said, creating a list of perfectionistic, idealistic traits desired in a future spouse is nuts. Praying for that list is even nuttier. As someone else said, that's just an example of the perfectionistic, legalistic mindset at CBC. Oh, your presbetry said you'll be a worship leader? Well, mine said I'll be a pastor. We have "compatible callings" (whatever the XXX that means), so God must intend for us to get married. The idea that God matches spouses based on what they DO is so insane, but consistent with the legalism at CBC. The Bible doesn't say "some are called to be pastor's wives," but somehow that escapes CBC/PBC, so the girls up there want to marry pastors... and then they do, and they live in near poverty, essentially as widows and then single mothers, abandoned for "the sake of ministry" (meaning they have "no right" to complain about their lot). No, it doesn't happen to all that way, but I know many whose lives have gone down in precisely that way.

The fact that CBC/PBC/CCHS still continue to refuse to address real life girl-boy issues is truly frustrating. I'm a former PBC-er and also used to work with the high schoolers. We were forbidden to talk with the high schoolers, who were wrestling with normal stuff, about sex, dating, how far is too far, what is purity, etc., etc. The party line was "no sex until marriage," period. I'm sorry, but in the heat of the moment, that just does not cut it, as we all know. I saw so many young poeple up there struggle and suffer in this area of their lives BECAUSE of the position the church and schools took of burying their heads in the sand in denial, and of spewing pat answers instead of investing time and energy into effectively addressing these very real issues. I believe that if we tell young people the truth about relationships, communication, physical intimacy, and potential consequences of promiscuity, that they are better equipped to make good choices, even (or maybe especially) in the heat of the moment.

The environment that CBC and PBC cultivate about male-female relationships is absolutely sickening. I remember being told that women must view all men as prospective rapists...and that women must submit to all men. Are those are not two of the most singularly ridiculous statements you've ever heard? And the most contradictory statements? I could go off on this topic for a very long time, as I'm sure we all could.

I believe that masturbation is wrong, that it is immoral, because it is "sex outside of the marriage relationship" and because it cultivates a self-centered view of sex...so if a guy beats the monkey and rationalizes it by telling himself it's better than having sex with a girl (thus ruining the rose, as it were), what happens when he does get married? How easy is it to change his mindset from pleasuring himself to pleasuring his wife and pursuing mutual bliss together? How easy is it to remove the visual images that he concentrated on during peeling the banana and feel truly satisfied with the looks of the wife lying next to him? How much faith in Christ's power to help us develop and practice self-control does this illustrate? I only used a guy as an example, but women also masturbate and fantasize through romance novels, movies, etc....so the re-orientation of sex (from receiving to giving & sharing) is also an issue for women, as is accepting their husband's looks, romantic gestures, etc. as their reality (vs the stuff they've read, etc.). All of that behavior as singles can position people for serious disappointment as married people. At CBC, since there is no acknowlegement of how singles truly think, live and operate, there is no effective discussion around these issues. Everyone is just told to "wait for marriage." Virginity is defined as non-penetration, so we have girls who have given lots of blow-jobs thinking they're still virgins (because the oh-so-reassuring blow-job recipients assured them they would be) and lots of guys running around self-rightously thinking they're pure because they only fantasize 24/7 about women, look at porn & masturbate, but haven't actually had sex. What about those Christians who lived immorally before getting saved? Or those who stumble & fall even once they are? Are they somehow substandard, 2nd class citizens, unable to live pure lives or experience 100% wonderful marriages? NO. Hmmm...maybe we should re-define purity as something Christ gives us, regardless of our experience or lack thereof, but based on what he did for us on the cross.

CBC does not value singles at all. They encourage single people to essentially be "on hold" in terms of their careers, education, and ministry, because "you never know" who you might marry and who you might have to be or what you might have to do to "complement" that person. This whole piece angers me as much as anything else about that horrid system because I've seen over and over and over the fruits of that in the lives of people I care about. God has a plan for us all, and if PART of that plan is to be married (which is part of his plan for the vast majority of humans), then great; if his plan includes marriage at 21 or 35 or 50 or never, GREAT. Anyone can get married. It's not a sign of maturity or worthiness or anything else. It's God's plan that matters. Single people are not inferior or superior. No life "circumstance" is better or worse than any other in terms of evidence of God's favor, blessing, etc. We humans are SO sick in our thinking, our hierarchies, our categories. CBC reinforces that, rather than seeking to eradicate it with the truth of the gospel.

OK, I've gone off way too long.

1/27/2006 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon>That's what blogs are for: going on too long. Its discussion. I don't necessarily agree with all your points, but can respect them. They're based from your experiences. So Power To You!

This issue needs to be addressed big time! During adolescence, hormones are going nuts, and to boot, our bilogy tells us to pro-create (have sex). The church says not to do it. Fine. But they don't educate at all on this subject when it comes to scripture. Its more hush-hush. So while these kids are still at home in the nest with their folks and under the wing of the church. No one helps these kids. But then, then... you may get married. You may have sex. Not doggy - style. I beleive PF said this was a sin as well in the late 90's.

This is ridiculous. It's No No No. & Figure it out on your own. & If you fall - you're screwed.

I remember the Bible saying that sin is sin. I believe their are degrees of sin. But still sin is sin. If temptation overcomes you to screw before marriage or temptation comes over you to say something you shouldn't say - which we all have done. Including PF.

I beleive that is what the whole cross thing was for. Forgiveness. Redemption.

The church tends to forget that because we are Christians that we're not still human. They forget that they are human. They don't recognize that they are making massive mistakes everyday just like us. We will fall. We will screw up and we will screw sometimes. If we repent, so shall we be forgiven - by God - apparently not CBC.

Sorry for the choppiness of this entry, written to quick for comfort.

1/27/2006 12:03:00 PM  
Blogger catalyst said...

I believe that masturbation is wrong, that it is immoral, because it is "sex outside of the marriage relationship" and because it cultivates a self-centered view of sex...so if a guy beats the monkey and rationalizes it by telling himself it's better than having sex with a girl (thus ruining the rose, as it were), what happens when he does get married?

This was obviously written by a girl.

I don't really want to get into a debate on masterbation, but just one quick point.

No guy masterbates and tells himself its better than sex with a girl. Guys masterbate because they can't have sex with a girl.

That's Basic Guy 101

1/27/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the long-winded Anon again. To the 2nd Anon after my long comment, I certainly didn't mean to imply that masturbation FEELS better than sex with a girl. I can't imagine it would be (yes, I am a girl & I know that masturbation isn't "better" than sex with a man; there's no comparison). What I meant is "better" morally, in terms of conscience, as in "it's better that I masturbate and only, maybe, hurt myself, than crush a girl's soul." That particular comment was made in the context and in response to the earlier posts about the rose analogy. Does that make more sense now? I don't think any of us who have both masturbated and had real sex with the opposite sex could possibly assume that the former is better than the latter...bring on the latter day rain (in marriage of course, and sorry for the somewhat gross but intentional aplication of scripture)

1/27/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oinvu4uraqt said...
How about praying for singles to get married to the right partner God has for them, not just get married?

In response: he didi say to pray for the right person as he regularly does


FICM said...
Maybe I should put his theory to the test, and start praying for a wife more specifically. Praying for a life partner isn't good enough to move angels, so I'll be sure to ask for the tall blonde supermodel who is a missionary doctor and comes from a wealthy family. Oh, and her name is "Inga". Are there any angels moving yet?

This is just another symptom of the performance mentality of CBC. I have to DO something to get something from God. There is always some mystical - er, excuse me - spiritual formula for pleasing God.

What did Paul say about this in Romans 8 ?

26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

Hm, sure seems to me like Paul said that even when we pray general prayers, prayers that barely come out as a mumble or a groan, GOD KNOWS our hearts, and knows exactly what we need, and prays on our behalf!

So, what verse did Frank use to develop his theology of moving angels in specific prayer?

Personally, I'll stick with the groans that only me & God can understand.

7:44 AM


GraySheep said...


What did Paul say about this in Romans 8 ?

26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

In respone: Im not sure if you understand whta that scripture is saying but Paul is asking the Spirit to give him something specific to pray for instead of just your usual "God bless this day ,help me be a good person , please give me more money blah blah blah. Paul wants to know what God had planned for him so he can pray for that specifically.Such as,Lord ,I pray for someone to pass my way today that i can lead to you,or Lord ,I pray for job that i will enjoy that will provide financial provision for me and my family and allows opportunities to extend the gospel.Thats whta Paul is asking for and thats what it means to be specific .And in regards to people saying that paster Frank was sayng that God is too busy to have general prayers be answered,his point was that we sometimes limit God because of our own limits that we put on Him because of our lack of faith. Were afraid of praying for something specific because were afraid it may not happen. My was in town and came to church and was inspired by the sermon. He actually felt motivated to start his own business and pray in petition for it for the first time in his life ,and he is a regular church attender back in his hometown. I know there are other good churches out there but there are few pastors who are able to actually people to weekly christians and not just sunday christans. I think a lot of you guys get so caught up with bogging that you actually hinder yourself from growing

WWJD

1/27/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger KK said...

You know, I probably should stay out of this discussion, because what's the point, but for the record, anyone who thinks that people do not fantasize about others while having sex with their marriage partner is seriously deluded.

Hello!!!

1/27/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just to add to that last post.It was my dad who was visiting


WWJD

1/27/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Karli, this is the original long-winded Anon. I do not fantasize about other men while having sex with my husband! I did have sex, with someone other than my husband, years before I met & married my husband. That guy was/is a distant memory. My husband is awesome. I can't imagine fantasizing about someone else. Generally speaking, women do not tend to fantasize about another man while having sex with their husbands, unless they are emotionally attached to some other man. Of course, there are exceptions, there always are to the general rule of thumb. Men, I can't speak for, since I'm not one. I suppose they may think of other women from their past or from porn if they use porn, because they are more visual creatures, but I can't say for sure. Men? Since that's not the main point of my long-winded comment, I probably didn't need to respond, but if you think that many people do think of others during sex with their spouses, I would think you would be in favor of behavior (or lack thereof) which would protect people from that to the extent possible (assuming, of course, you think it's not good for married people to fantasize about others, which trust is an assumption we share)???

1/27/2006 12:52:00 PM  
Anonymous FICM said...

WWJD,

I think we are bound to disagree on the prayer issue. I never said we shouldn't pray specifically. However, I took issue with PF's statement that God couldn't answer non-specific prayers.

I will agree with you in that we can ask God to help us to know what to pray for...

5 If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. James 1:5

My point was that in those times when we don't know what to pray for, we can find comfort in the fact that the Holy Spirit within us knows how to pray for us, in spite of ourselves.

I prefer to take these verses for their face value of what they say, and they say that God knows how to pray for me when I don't. There have been numerous times in my life where I just had to pray, "God, this part of my life is broken. I don't even know how to ask for it to be fixed or what even should be done. Please help me." And there were times I couldn't even be that articulate and could barely get out a "Help!" God has answered those sincere yet vague & non-specific prayers by doing things I would have never thought of. That to me is the real power of those two verses.

You can try to shoehorn these verses into your prayer theology, but I will continue to trust my Father who has always run to me when I simply asked for help.

1/27/2006 01:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is it that humans allow religions to control our intimate lives? In the days of the Inca, people sacrificed they're own babies to please god. I can't help but feel that this issue of the modern church imposing it's will on our personal (prayer now! & intimate) lives is an extension of this same flawed and inhumane policy.

To me, it seems that intimacy is something for individuals to concern THEMSELVES with.

Once we establish a barrier there, I think alot of these CBC issues with "PF said this and Bob Mac said that" will be moot.

Now would be a good time to pray some very "specific" prayers that those being held bondage by their pastors and elders will see the light and live a full and healthy life until it's over.

Healthy Outlook #1
WE ONLY GET ONE RIDE ON THIS TRAIN.

Poor Outlook #1
REPENT SINNERS! THE END IS NEAR!

That's my take.

P.S Karli kicks ass. Very fun to read your comments lately.

OMG. Did someone say MeriEsther?

What's the point of going to Canada if you ain't gonna smoke some doge and take in the scenery?

TCHS 94'

1/27/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FICM

After reading your post i realize that we both agree with each other.Im not saying that God only answers specific prayers and neither was paster Frank.He was just trying to empower and motivate our prayer life. He motivated me to have a little more vision and faith in my prayers and it was great having my dad there because he has been in a spritual rut and that sermon motivated him to believe that the God that can move mountains can answer his prayers. I think that the you would find that we agree on a lot of things and i bet if you were to hear a sermon from pastor Frank in its entirety and not know it was him, you would be moved and inspired as well.

WWJD

1/27/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I certainly did mention MeriEsther. She was once a buddy of mine many moons ago.

Oh' Canada. The sights, and smells.

Hell, I agree with most of what you said, Anono-mouse.

1/27/2006 04:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How big is your God!" I remember those words like it was yesterday when my spiritual mentor uttered these things to me. If he divided the seas, multiplied the fishes, gave sight to the blind, etc, then he surely can read my heart and know what I "desire" and "need". OUR GOD IS BIG! No limitations can be placed on HIM.

I have struggled for the last couple of months with my faith. I can't remembered the last time I prayed. I guess you can say that I have had a "fallen out with the Lord". But even though that may be the case, I believe that the Lord knows when I struggle and need Him. Even if I don't call out to him, I feel his presence. Even when I sin, I know he has forgiven me, evn though guilt embraces me. When the devil calls out to me, the LORD is right there. When I run from HIM, I feel HIS breath upon my neck about to overtake me. I cannot escape. He knew me before I was born. He knows how the story began and how it will end. He is a mighty GOD! MAN I FEEL BETTER ALREADY! PRAISE GOD!

If our God is that Big, I say just pray. Be specific if you want or be vague. The relationship with Him is what is desired. To debate over "specifics" is silly. To cry out "Father, I need you", is enough. If you have an infant and that infant were to cry out to you, would you not come to his or her aid? So it is with our GOD. For HE is mighty in HIS love.

Catalyst, I want to thank you. This topic has inspired me to fall on my knees and once again talk to my God. Pray for me all you bloggers as I will pray for you.

FWIW, I may not agree with everything that is written about CBC and the staff. However I do respect the "cajones" that have been displayed in expressing your point of view. Nothin for nothin, it has made me think and dust of my Bible once again. Who knows. Maybe the Lord has used you in a unexpected way, Catalyst. WORD.

CHOCOLATE THUNDER AKA ONE LOVE

1/27/2006 11:27:00 PM  
Blogger catalyst said...

OUR GOD IS BIG! No limitations can be placed on HIM.

Unless of course you don't tithe. Then you're putting a cap on God and he is unable to do anything. Not-Tithers are God's Kryptonite.

Catalyst, I want to thank you. This topic has inspired me to fall on my knees and once again talk to my God.

That's great. I'm a big fan of personal faith. I believe a person's faith can sustain them through difficult times and provide an incredible joy and peace. "Organized Religion", on the other hand, not so much.

Maybe the Lord has used you in an unexpected way, Catalyst.

I believe the Lord has used me to draw attention to an immoral church.

Good Luck Chocolate Thunder and thanks for your support.

1/28/2006 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I also want to thank you Justin.I know John paul is doing better and although you may not know Christ yet,your blog has created a platform for those who have never recieved Christ or those whose walk has slid. Even if just one person is saved,its a victory

WWJD

1/28/2006 11:22:00 AM  
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Blogger Massage by Stewie said...

Perhaps I'm not up on all the recent... er... events, but I'd like to take a moment here to say that, in October 1999, Howard took the time and energy to travel to Idaho (where I lived at the time) and speak for a few days on worship. I was deeply delighted with the whole thing, but the sermon titled, "Dancing with the King" freed me and has taken root in my heart. My life has been significantly improved, my relationship with God has been closer, and my experience during worship has been a thousand percent improved. In whatever way you have or have not been human, Howard, I will forever be grateful for you "giving to the Lord" in this way. (Ps, I was a baby Christian at the time, only a month or so old, and became a preacher in that church, then later a Sabbath School teacher for 3 years in another. I now teach adults the parallel prophecies of Daniel and Revelations, and minister to all I have opportunity to. How much of this is due to Howard's encouragement, I will never know.)

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